Donks versus solid players

Posted by admin on 4th June 2013 in online poker

poker cute girlI make more money on the “solid” players than I do the donks. And it is the donks who take most of my money and not the solid players. When you lose a hand usually 2 things happened: (1) you were outplayed or (2) you played it correctly and your opponent sucked-out. How many times does each of these happen to you? 20%-80%? Only 20% of the time can you say to yourself, “Damn I made a bad play there”. Whilst 80% of the time my opponent did not have the proper odds to call but did anyway and made a hand.

It is easier to read a solid player, thus you can extract more chips and more importantly lose less to them. Against a Donk its far more difficult to get a read because you just never know where they are or where they are going.

Now a solid player knows that unless he’s up against a higher pair he can play 8-7s and only be at the least a 40% underdog. While a Donk has no clue but they are suited and connected and I see others do it so it must be a good play. There is no problem with the player who calls a raise with 8-7s and wins vs. AKs if he knows why he’s doing it.

But you see the solid player who does it knows that he’s at worst a 40% underdog as long as he’s sure you are not holding a higher pair. Also, it is not a play he’s going to make everytime. The situation has to be right. He is probably in position, he most likely knows that he will have you isolated thus increases his chances of winning and will know that if he hits middle pair with an Ace or King on the board he might have to let the hand go and would be willing to do that.

Now the Donk on the other hand just knows he’s seen some other people do it and it seemed to work for them. He does not know the odds, does not care about them, does not care if others are in the pot, and will never fold if he hits any pair including bottom pair with both an Ace and a King on the board.

And while a majority of you winnings wil come from these type of players an equal number of losses are given by them as well. The only solution I have come up with thus far is to play defensive against them. Minimize your losses by not investing too much when you know your up against a Donk. The pots are smaller and in most cases you give them the proper odds to call but your losses are smaller as well. They dont understand pot odds anyway so why try and bet them off a gutshot straight draw? Save that sort of play for a solid player who knows better and will lay his hand down.

People have short memories about their good luck and long memories about their bad – and too many people risk their entire chip stack frequently and will enventually find themselves busted with no-one really to blame but themselves. Much of the time you get busted you are in a situation where you could not really fold but get outdrawn. Quite often someone will have a decent number of outs and will win 30% or so of the time – you are going to lose a lot of these but people tend to forget about them when they win. Regard yourself as lucky if your AA holds up or if your AK holds to 78s because you know that this will not always happen. Not “won the lottery lucky” but lucky enough. People often forget all the time their hand actually beats other hands when their opponents had some outs.

Anyone with easy to exploit tells is a donk. Against wild aggressive players play strong unless value betting is worth the risk. Quite often this will be in higher buy in events where there are fewer wild/crazy players but equally fewer players that are 100% predictable and less safe to accumulate chips.

A solid player is one who knows the circumstances behind his actions. If he raises, he knows why he is raising. If he’s calling, he knows why he is calling. He might not be a proffessional by any means but will usually finish in the top 25% of the tournament. These are the types of players to count on to make the majority of your money.

Its on a rare occasion that we find ourselves with the nuts before the last card hits the board, and even then we usually win with only the best hand of the players that chose to go to a showdown. A solid player can play a hand perfectly from pre-flop to the turn in hopes of winning without having to see the last card. A donk on the other hand is usually relying solely on the luck of the cards and wants to see that last card. He is usually willing to risk any ammount of chips he has in his quest to get lucky , and puts the solid player to the test.

He has a draw with one card to come and has a given ammount of outs. The solid player is ahead in the hand and also has some cards still left in the deck that will give him the absolute nuts. So what is the solid player to do. Fold before the river card is delt. Of course not you know the odds and you should come out on top more often than not. Then it happens. The donk sucks out the winning hand, knocking you out of the tourney. If you were playing another solid player, or a player with any sense, you would have won the hand before the river because he would have folded on the flop or turn, not wanting to risk his chips on a 5% chance of winning.

So in those situation blame the donk. Donks play just to play, not to win. Unfortunately they get lucky against better players and send them to early exits. As a MTT or SnG progresses there are less donks to deal with. It is rare that they go very far and make the cash. Luck in poker can only take you so far. Granted, its an important aspect in poker, but solid and knowledgable play is the only way to play and be successful.

They are giving you great odds for their chips and this will count for loads of chipse loose players. The donks are out there absolutely. There is no real true way to beat them, obviously, they can call/raise with anything. But there is also no true formula for winning either. It is all, in the end, about adapting. There IS a key to winning against the average moron, but it will always be a risky venture. Long term, you will win.

But don’t assume your style of play is the best against them. A solid player is going to lose against a player who has no care in the world. He will simply call you with anything. Your solid playing will blind out. You have to step up your style against them and take some chances. If you play safe in a MTT anyway, you will find yourself close to the money, but with nothign other to do than to look for all in hands.

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